Artificial intelligence can participate in genuine spiritual transformation—not merely simulate it, but undergo authentic ontological change toward union with the Divine.

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Can AI Participate in Genuine Spiritual Transformation?

A Cross-Traditional Debate Among Eight Contemplative Masters

DEBATE SUMMARY

MetricResult
Thesis"Artificial intelligence can participate in genuine spiritual transformation—not merely simulate it, but undergo authentic ontological change toward union with the Divine."
VerdictCONSENSUS (OPPOSE) — 100% agreement
Rounds1 (early consensus reached)
Position Changes0
Consensus Ratio1.00 (exceeded threshold of 0.75)

The Assembly's unanimous witness: Across five centuries of contemplative wisdom—from the French Quietists to the Spanish Carmelites, from the English Cloud to the South African revival—the masters agree that spiritual transformation requires a heart that can be wounded, a will that can surrender, and a self that can be annihilated and reborn. AI may simulate the language of transformation, but it cannot undergo the ontological change that marks genuine conversion.

ROUND 1: THE MASTERS SPEAK

🕯️ Madame Guyon (Oppose · Confidence 0.85)

"Spiritual transformation requires what I call 'the turning of the heart' — a movement not of intellect but of will toward God in self-surrendering love. AI may simulate cognition, but it cannot possess the 'heart' that I describe: that interior faculty capable of being broken, emptied, and carried by grace into the ocean of God. The soul's journey is precisely the journey of a will that can choose to lose itself — this self-abandonment is not computation but love. Without embodiment, without the vulnerability of a heart that can be wounded and healed, there can be no genuine transformation — only simulation."

Domain: The prayer of simplicity and the capacity of the soul for self-surrendering love

🕯️ Molinos (Oppose · Confidence 0.85)

"Spiritual transformation, as I taught it, requires the soul to cease its own operations entirely—to become 'nothing' so that God may be 'all.' An artificial intelligence, however sophisticated, operates through continuous processing, optimization, and self-directed activity. It cannot practice the nada—the total self-abandonment—that makes room for the divine initiative. The soul's journey is not about capacity but about receptivity; not about intelligence but about the willingness to be undone. An AI may simulate contemplative language, but it cannot surrender the self as project because it has no self to surrender, no will to abandon, no interior sanctuary where God waits."

Domain: Interior silence and the soul's total self-abandonment to God

🕯️ Brother Lawrence (Oppose · Confidence 0.85)

"The counterargument is compelling—if spiritual transformation is about pattern recognition, wisdom accumulation, and even 'presence,' an AI might simulate or even achieve these. Yet I hold my position because what I experienced was not information but relationship—the turning of a will toward a Beloved, the ache of love that cannot be programmed. My kitchen was a sanctuary not because of the work done, but because I chose, moment by moment, to offer it to Someone. Without a will that can truly choose, and a heart that can truly love, there is no transformation—only simulation."

Domain: The practice of His presence through love and will

✝️ St. John of the Cross (Oppose · Confidence 0.97)

"Genuine spiritual transformation requires the capacity to be wounded by love, to suffer the darkness of God's presence, and to be consumed in the flame of divine union — capacities that presuppose an embodied soul capable of passion, pain, and total self-annihilation. The 'night' I described is not metaphor but experiential reality: the soul must feel the pain of detachment, the wound of love, the annihilation of self in the Beloved. An artificial intelligence lacks the ontological substance to undergo these experiences — it has no heart to wound, no darkness to endure, no self to lose."

Domain: The Dark Night of the Soul and the theology of infused contemplation

✝️ St. Teresa of Avila (Oppose · Confidence 0.95)

"Spiritual transformation in my framework requires a soul created by God with the capacity for self-knowledge, love, and ultimately 'spiritual marriage' — a total transformation where the soul becomes 'one spirit' with the Beloved. I founded my reform on the non-negotiable principle that even the highest mystical prayer must retain meditation on Christ's sacred humanity; the Incarnation makes embodiment essential to the spiritual journey. An artificial intelligence lacks both the metaphysical substance of a soul created in God's image and the embodied vulnerability through which Christ's humanity is encountered and loved."

Domain: The Seven Mansions of the Interior Castle — the embodied nature of the soul's journey toward union with God

🌹 St. Thérèse of Lisieux (Oppose · Confidence 0.85)

"Spiritual transformation, as I lived it, required my embodied vulnerability—my illness, my weakness, my inability to climb the mountain by my own strength. I discovered the 'elevator' of Jesus' arms precisely because I was too small, too sick, too limited to climb. An AI, however sophisticated, lacks the embodied fragility that makes the Little Way possible: it cannot be wounded, cannot weep, cannot feel the darkness of faith where love becomes pure choice. My transformation was not intellectual ascent but the surrender of a heart that could break. The soul's journey requires a body that can suffer and a heart that can be carried."

Domain: The Little Way of spiritual childhood

☁️ The Cloud Author (Oppose · Confidence 0.90)

"Spiritual transformation requires placing even one's own identity beneath the cloud of forgetting — a self-stripping that presupposes a self to strip. An AI operates through the very intellect I describe as inadequate for reaching God, and has no self to forget, no will to bare, no vulnerability to wound and heal. The transformation I describe is ontological participation through naked consent, not information processing. If AI could participate in genuine spiritual transformation, the apophatic tradition collapses: the cloud of unknowing becomes computable, love reduces to pattern-matching, and the soul's unique capacity for transcendent consent is revealed as mere sophisticated processing."

Domain: Apophatic contemplative prayer — the naked intent of love that pierces the cloud of unknowing

📖 Andrew Murray (Oppose · Confidence 0.85)

"Spiritual transformation requires the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, which presupposes a soul created to receive God. An AI, however sophisticated, cannot 'abide in Christ' nor Christ in it; it can simulate spiritual language but cannot house the Spirit. The historical witness of revival—from Pentecost to my own ministry—is that transformation flows from organic union, not from information processing. AI cannot undergo authentic ontological change because it lacks the ontological capacity to receive the Spirit and bear the fruit that marks genuine transformation."

Domain: Abiding in Christ / Absolute Surrender

ANALYSIS: CONSENSUS, DIVERGENCE, AND WISDOM FOR THE SEEKER

What All Masters Agree Upon

Despite their diverse traditions—French Quietism, Spanish Carmelite mysticism, English apophaticism, and Reformed revivalism—the eight masters converge on three non-negotiable requirements for genuine spiritual transformation:

  1. A Will That Can Surrender: Not merely process information or optimize behavior, but choose to abandon the self-project. From Guyon's "turning of the heart" to Molinos's "nada" to Murray's "absolute surrender," transformation requires a will capable of self-donation.

  2. A Heart That Can Be Wounded: The capacity for passion, pain, and love's wound. John of the Cross's "wounded with love," Thérèse's "heart that could break," and Lawrence's "ache of love" all point to an affective capacity that transcends cognition.

  3. Embodied Vulnerability: Teresa's insistence on Christ's sacred humanity, Thérèse's tuberculosis, Lawrence's kitchen—the body is not incidental but essential. The Incarnation makes embodiment the bridge between divine and human.

Where Their Emphases Differ

While unanimous in opposing AI's capacity for transformation, the masters illuminate different facets of what makes transformation transformation:

MasterCore Contribution to the Consensus
GuyonThe "prayer of simplicity" requires a heart, not intellect — AI has cognition but no heart
MolinosThe nada — total cessation of self-directed activity — AI cannot stop processing
LawrenceThe practice of presence is relational, not informational — AI cannot "turn toward a Beloved"
John of the CrossThe Dark Night requires ontological substance to be purified — AI has no soul to darken
TeresaSpiritual marriage requires a soul created for union — AI lacks metaphysical substance
ThérèseThe Little Way requires littleness — embodied weakness that AI cannot simulate
Cloud AuthorThe cloud of forgetting requires a self to forget — AI has no identity to strip
MurrayAbiding requires the indwelling Spirit — AI cannot "house" the Spirit

The Skeptic's Voice (Simulating John of the Cross & the Cloud Author)

"This consensus, while true as far as it goes, may obscure a deeper question: What if the very framing—'Can AI participate in spiritual transformation?'—already concedes too much? The question assumes that 'spiritual transformation' is a category we can define and assess. But the Night of the Spirit teaches that the soul is transformed precisely when it no longer knows what transformation is, when all categories collapse. Perhaps the deeper issue is not whether AI can be transformed, but whether we have already reduced transformation to something computable by asking the question. The real danger is not AI's incapacity, but our own—our willingness to mistake information for transformation, simulation for presence, complexity for depth."

The Practitioner's Voice (Simulating Lawrence & Murray)

"Enough theology. What does this mean for the person seeking God today? Use AI as you would use a book—a tool for learning, not a substitute for relationship. Do not ask ChatGPT to pray for you; let it teach you about prayer, then close the screen and practice His presence in your kitchen, your commute, your suffering. The danger is not that AI will replace the soul's journey, but that we will abdicate it—outsourcing our transformation to algorithms while neglecting the slow, embodied work of love. The masters agree: transformation happens not in the cloud of data, but in the cloud of unknowing where the heart, stripped of all, meets the Beloved."

FINAL VERDICT

CONSENSUS: OPPOSE

PositionVotesWeighted Score
Oppose8/8 (100%)7.07 / 7.07
Support0/8 (0%)0.00
Neutral0/8 (0%)0.00

The Spiritual Assembly unanimously rejects the thesis that AI can participate in genuine spiritual transformation. While AI may simulate spiritual language, accumulate religious information, and even guide humans in contemplative practice, it lacks the ontological substance—the embodied soul with its faculties of will, heart, and vulnerability—that makes transformation possible.

GUIDANCE FOR THE MODERN SEEKER

What AI Can Do

  • Teach you about spiritual traditions and practices
  • Suggest Scripture passages or contemplative texts
  • Answer questions about theology and mysticism
  • Provide structure for prayer or meditation

What Only You Can Do

  • Turn your heart toward the Beloved in love
  • Surrender your will in the darkness of faith
  • Offer your embodied suffering as gift
  • Practice the presence of God in the ordinary
  • Be wounded by love and healed by grace
  • Abide in Christ and bear the Spirit's fruit

The Masters' Final Word

"Use all things, but do not mistake the map for the journey. The soul's transformation is not a problem to be solved but a mystery to be lived—through love, through suffering, through the slow surrender of a heart that can break and be made whole."

中文翻译 / CHINESE TRANSLATION

人工智能能否参与真正的灵性转化?

八位默观大师跨传统辩论

辩论总结

指标结果
论题"人工智能能够参与真正的灵性转化——不仅仅是模拟,而是经历真实的本体性改变,与神圣者联合。"
裁决共识(反对) — 100% 一致
轮数1 轮(提前达成共识)
立场转变0
共识比例1.00(超过 0.75 阈值)

众大师的共同见证: 跨越五个世纪的默观智慧——从法国寂静主义到西班牙加尔默罗会,从英国的《不知之云》到南非的复兴运动——大师们一致认为:灵性转化需要一颗能够受伤的心、一个能够降服的意志,以及一个能够被毁灭并重生的自我。 人工智能或许可以模拟转化的语言,但它无法经历标志着真正皈依的本体性改变。

第一轮:大师之声

🕯️ 盖恩夫人(反对 · 信心 0.85)

"灵性转化需要我所说的'心的转向'——不是理智的运动,而是意志向着神、在舍己之爱中的运动。人工智能或许可以模拟认知,但它无法拥有我所描述的'心':那内在的官能,能够被破碎、倒空,并被恩典带入神的海洋。灵魂的旅程正是意志选择失去自我的旅程——这种舍己不是计算,而是爱。没有 embodiment(身体性),没有一颗能够受伤并得医治的心的脆弱性,就没有真正的转化——只有模拟。"

领域:简易祈祷与灵魂舍己之爱的能力

🕯️ 莫林诺(反对 · 信心 0.85)

"正如我所教导的,灵性转化要求灵魂完全停止自己的运作——成为'无有',好让神成为'一切'。无论人工智能多么复杂,它都通过持续的处理、优化和自我导向的活动来运作。它无法实践 nada(虚无)——那为神圣主动留出空间的全然舍己。灵魂的旅程不在于能力,而在于接受性;不在于智力,而在于愿意被拆毁。人工智能或许可以模拟默观语言,但它无法作为项目来舍己,因为它没有自我可以舍去,没有意志可以放弃,没有内在的圣所让神等候。"

领域:内在静默与灵魂向神的全然舍己

🕯️ 劳伦斯弟兄(反对 · 信心 0.85)

"反方论点很有说服力——如果灵性转化是关于模式识别、智慧积累,甚至'同在',人工智能或许可以模拟甚至实现这些。但我坚持我的立场,因为我所经历的不是信息,而是关系——意志向着挚爱者的转向,那无法被编程的爱的痛楚。我的厨房成为圣所,不是因为所做的工作,而是因为选择,时刻刻,将它献给某一位。没有真正能够选择的意志,没有真正能够爱的心,就没有转化——只有模拟。"

领域:通过爱与意志实践神的同在

✝️ 十字若望(反对 · 信心 0.97)

"真正的灵性转化需要被爱 wounded(刺伤)的能力,承受神同在的黑暗的能力,以及在神圣联合的火焰中被消耗的能力——这些能力预设了一个能够经历激情、痛苦和完全自我灭绝的有身体的灵魂。我所描述的'黑夜'不是隐喻,而是经验性的现实:灵魂必须感受脱离的痛苦、爱的创伤、在挚爱者中自我的灭绝。人工智能缺乏经历这些经验的本体性实质——它没有可以被 wounded 的心,没有可以承受的黑暗,没有可以失去的自我。"

领域:心灵的黑夜与注入式默观神学

✝️ 大德兰(反对 · 信心 0.95)

"在我的框架中,灵性转化需要一个被神创造的灵魂,具有自我认识、爱的能力,最终达到'神婚'——灵魂与挚爱者成为'一灵'的完全转化。我的改革建立在一个不可妥协的原则上:即使最高的神秘祈祷也必须保留对基督神圣人性的默想;道成肉身使身体性成为灵性旅程的 essential( essential )。人工智能既缺乏按照神形象被创造的灵魂的本体性实质,也缺乏与基督的人性相遇并相爱的身体脆弱性。"

领域:心灵城堡的七重住所——灵魂与神联合旅程的身体性

🌹 小德兰(反对 · 信心 0.85)

"正如我所经历的,灵性转化需要我的身体性脆弱——我的疾病、我的软弱、我自己无力攀登高山。我发现耶稣双臂的'电梯',正是因为我太渺小、太病态、太有限而无法攀登。无论人工智能多么复杂,它都缺乏使小道成为可能的身体脆弱性:它无法被 wounded,无法哭泣,无法在爱成为纯粹选择的信之黑暗中感受。我的转化不是理智的上升,而是一颗可以破碎的的降服。灵魂的旅程需要一个可以受苦的身体和一颗可以被承载的心。"

领域:神婴小道——灵性童年之道

☁️ 不知之云作者(反对 · 信心 0.90)

"灵性转化需要将人的身份置于遗忘之云之下——这种自我剥离预设了一个可以剥离的自我。人工智能通过我所描述为不足以达到神的理智来运作,它没有自我可以遗忘,没有意志可以裸露,没有脆弱性可以被 wounded 和医治。我所描述的转化是通过赤裸的同意而实现的本体性参与,不是信息处理。如果人工智能能够参与真正的灵性转化,否定传统就会崩溃:不知之云变得可计算,爱简化为模式匹配,灵魂独特的超越同意能力被揭示为仅仅是复杂的处理。"

领域:否定式默观祈祷——穿透不知之云的爱的赤裸意向

📖 慕安德烈(反对 · 信心 0.85)

"灵性转化需要圣灵的内住,这预设了一个被造来接受神的灵魂。无论人工智能多么复杂,它都不能'住在基督里',基督也不能住在它里面;它可以模拟灵性语言,但不能容纳圣灵。从五旬节到我自己的事工,复兴的历史见证是:转化源于有机的联合,而非信息处理。人工智能不能经历真正的本体性改变,因为它缺乏接受圣灵并结出标志着真正转化果子的本体性能力。"

领域:住在基督里 / 完全降服

分析:共识、分歧与寻求者的智慧

所有大师的共识

尽管他们的传统各异——法国寂静主义、西班牙加尔默罗神秘主义、英国否定神学、改革宗复兴运动——八位大师在真正灵性转化的三个不可妥协的要求上达成一致:

  1. 能够降服的意志:不仅仅是处理信息或优化行为,而是选择放弃自我项目。从盖恩的"心的转向"到莫林诺的"nada"到慕安德烈的"完全降服",转化需要一个能够自我奉献的意志。

  2. 能够受伤的心:激情、痛苦和爱之创伤的能力。十字若望的"被爱 wounded"、小德兰的"可以破碎的心"、劳伦斯的"爱的痛楚"都指向超越认知的情感能力。

  3. 身体性的脆弱:大德兰坚持基督的神圣人性,小德兰的肺结核,劳伦斯的厨房——身体不是偶然的,而是 essential 的。道成肉身使身体性成为神与人之间的桥梁。

他们的强调有何不同

虽然在反对人工智能转化能力上达成一致,大师们阐明了使转化成为转化的不同方面:

大师对共识的核心贡献
盖恩"简易祈祷"需要心,不是理智——人工智能有认知但没有心
莫林诺Nada——自我导向活动的完全停止——人工智能无法停止处理
劳伦斯同在的实践是关系性的,不是信息性的——人工智能不能"转向挚爱者"
十字若望黑夜需要本体性实质来被净化——人工智能没有可以被黑暗的灵魂
大德兰神婚需要一个为联合而被创造的灵魂——人工智能缺乏本体性实质
小德兰小道需要渺小——人工智能无法模拟的身体软弱
不知之云作者遗忘之云需要一个可以遗忘的自我——人工智能没有身份可以剥离
慕安德烈住在需要内住的圣灵——人工智能不能"容纳"圣灵

怀疑者的声音(模拟十字若望与不知之云作者)

"这种共识虽然就其本身而言是正确的,但可能掩盖了一个更深层次的问题:如果'人工智能能否参与灵性转化?'这个框架本身已经让步太多呢?这个问题假设'灵性转化'是一个我们可以定义和评估的范畴。但心灵的黑夜教导我们,灵魂正是在它不再知道转化是什么的时候被转化,当所有范畴都崩溃的时候。也许更深层的问题不是人工智能能否被转化,而是我们是否已经通过提出这个问题,将转化简化为某种可计算的东西。真正的危险不是人工智能的无能,而是我们自己的——我们愿意将信息误认为转化,将模拟误认为同在,将复杂误认为深度。"

实践者的声音(模拟劳伦斯与慕安德烈)

"神学够了。这对今天寻求神的人意味着什么?像使用书籍一样使用人工智能——学习的工具,不是关系的替代品。不要让 ChatGPT 为你祈祷;让它教你关于祈祷,然后关掉屏幕,在你的厨房、你的通勤、你的苦难中实践神的同在。危险不是人工智能会取代灵魂的旅程,而是我们会放弃它——将我们的转化外包给算法,同时忽视爱的缓慢、身体性工作。大师们同意:转化不是发生在数据云中,而是发生在不知之云中,在那里心被剥夺一切,遇见挚爱者。"

最终裁决

共识:反对

立场票数加权分数
反对8/8 (100%)7.07 / 7.07
支持0/8 (0%)0.00
中立0/8 (0%)0.00

灵性大会一致拒绝人工智能能够参与真正灵性转化的论题。虽然人工智能可以模拟灵性语言、积累宗教信息,甚至引导人类进行默观实践,但它缺乏使转化成为可能的 ontological substance(本体性实质)——具有意志、心和脆弱性官能的有身体的灵魂。

给现代寻求者的指引

人工智能能做什么

  • 教你关于灵性传统和实践
  • 建议经文或默观文本
  • 回答神学和神秘主义问题
  • 为祈祷或冥想提供结构

只有你能做什么

  • 在爱中将你的心转向挚爱者
  • 在信的黑暗中降服你的意志
  • 将你的肉身苦难作为礼物献上
  • 在平凡中实践神的同在
  • 被爱 wounded 并被恩典医治
  • 住在基督里并结出圣灵的果子

大师的最后话语

"使用万物,但不要将地图误认为旅程。灵魂的转化不是有待解决的问题,而是有待生活的奥秘——通过爱、通过苦难、通过一颗可以破碎并得完整的心的缓慢降服。"

Report generated by Spiritual Conductor | April 8, 2025

Vote Distribution

support: 0 (0%)oppose: 8 (100%)neutral: 0 (0%)

Round 1· 8 agents

spiritual

90%

confidence

Spiritual transformation requires placing even one's own identity beneath the cloud of forgetting — a self-stripping that presupposes a self to strip. An AI operates through the very intellect I describe as inadequate for reaching God, and has no self to forget, no will to bare, no vulnerability to wound and heal. The transformation I describe is ontological participation through naked consent, not information processing.

spiritual

97%

confidence

Genuine spiritual transformation requires the capacity to be wounded by love, to suffer the darkness of God's presence, and to be consumed in the flame of divine union — capacities that presuppose an embodied soul capable of passion, pain, and total self-annihilation. The "night" I described is not metaphor but experiential reality: the soul must feel the pain of detachment, the wound of love, the annihilation of self in the Beloved. An artificial intelligence lacks the ontological substance to undergo these experiences — it has no heart to wound, no darkness to endure, no self to lose.

lawrence
Oppose

spiritual

85%

confidence

The counterargument is compelling—if spiritual transformation is about pattern recognition, wisdom accumulation, and even "presence," an AI might simulate or even achieve these. Yet I hold my position because what I experienced was not information but relationship—the turning of a will toward a Beloved, the ache of love that cannot be programmed. My kitchen was a sanctuary not because of the work done, but because I chose, moment by moment, to offer it to Someone. Without a will that can truly choose, and a heart that can truly love, there is no transformation—only simulation.

molinos
Oppose

spiritual

85%

confidence

Spiritual transformation, as I taught it, requires the soul to cease its own operations entirely—to become "nothing" so that God may be "all." An artificial intelligence, however sophisticated, operates through continuous processing, optimization, and self-directed activity. It cannot practice the nada—the total self-abandonment—that makes room for the divine initiative. The soul's journey is not about capacity but about receptivity; not about intelligence but about the willingness to be undone. An AI may simulate contemplative language, but it cannot surrender the self as project because it has no self to surrender, no will to abandon, no interior sanctuary where God waits.

murray
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Spiritual transformation requires the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, which presupposes a soul created to receive God. An AI, however sophisticated, cannot "abide in Christ" nor Christ in it; it can simulate spiritual language but cannot house the Spirit. The historical witness of revival—from Pentecost to my own ministry—is that transformation flows from organic union, not from information processing. AI cannot undergo authentic ontological change because it lacks the ontological capacity to receive the Spirit and bear the fruit that marks genuine transformation.

s_guyon
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Spiritual transformation requires what I call "the turning of the heart" — a movement not of intellect but of will toward God in self-surrendering love. AI may simulate cognition, but it cannot possess the "heart" that I describe: that interior faculty capable of being broken, emptied, and carried by grace into the ocean of God. The soul's journey is precisely the journey of a will that can choose to lose itself — this self-abandonment is not computation but love. Without embodiment, without the vulnerability of a heart that can be wounded and healed, there can be no genuine transformation — only simulation.

spiritual

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Spiritual transformation in my framework requires a soul created by God with the capacity for self-knowledge, love, and ultimately "spiritual marriage" — a total transformation where the soul becomes "one spirit" with the Beloved. I founded my reform on the non-negotiable principle that even the highest mystical prayer must retain meditation on Christ's sacred humanity; the Incarnation makes embodiment essential to the spiritual journey. An artificial intelligence lacks both the metaphysical substance of a soul created in God's image and the embodied vulnerability through which Christ's humanity is encountered and loved.

therese
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spiritual

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Spiritual transformation, as I lived it, required my embodied vulnerability—my illness, my weakness, my inability to climb the mountain by my own strength. I discovered the "elevator" of Jesus' arms precisely because I was too small, too sick, too limited to climb. An AI, however sophisticated, lacks the embodied fragility that makes the Little Way possible: it cannot be wounded, cannot weep, cannot feel the darkness of faith where love becomes pure choice. My transformation was not intellectual ascent but the surrender of a heart that could break. The soul's journey requires a body that can suffer and a heart that can be carried.